Friday, September 23, 2016

Hostel stays: Fond memories of male nudity among strangers



For those who are interested, here are our members' memories of youth hostelling, and the joys of naked boys on road or rail trips.

Note from Kelly (sunbuns), blog editor: The stories below are from email group exchanges on the YMNA, Young Men's Nudist Association, a Google group.  The longest ones are written by David or atitlan, moderator of the group. I also have written many times about this topic, and find the situations one encounters in hostels to be wonderful ways to get to know people and find out things about oneself in the process.  See my photo just below]


If you wanted to travel when I was a teenager, it was either unaffordable - and lonely - hotel rooms or it was youth hostels, which were cheap and always had people to talk to. I stayed in numerous youth hostels in Britain, Germany, Austria, Italy and Israel. No two were alike.
They might be a 16-bedded farmhouse in the middle of nowhere or a huge city building with dorms each holding 100. A hot shower was a luxury only some offered; at other hostels it might be a cold-water morning wash from a basin. There were chores to be done. At one mountain hostel I had to go out and gather wood so in the evening we could huddle around a welcome fire with only gas lanterns to take us to bed.

A real feeling of camaraderie could build up. Strangers became fast friends, particularly if they met up again at another hostel later on. When I was 17, I hitch-hiked up to Scotland and found myself constantly bumping into a handsome dark-haired French lad of the same age. His name was Thierry and he wanted to be a brain surgeon. One evening I persuaded him and a girl to go for a walk in the forest outside our Scottish castle hostel. I still remember the intense look he gave me and the feeling of his hand on my shoulder but we were not alone, nothing happened and we never met again.








I am not sure why you were told all Americans slept nude because that was not my experience of Americans in youth hostels. I slept nude and so did some of the others in the male dorms but most seemed to wear what we in Britain call y-fronts. These did not hide much when it was time to get up,
with morning erections producing tent poles. Lying on a bottom bunk, I would find it difficult not to laugh when the top bunk occupant clambered down, his tented underwear only inches from my face. I always preferred the top bunk to sleep naked.......

The oddest thing about the dorms was the casual nudity. Because we as strangers got to know each other so quickly, we would carry on conversations in the dorm. I remember in Italy a young cyclist with a pleasant but not handsome face getting undressed while talking to me, only for this ugly duckling to turn into a swan. He was hiding a spectacular swimmer's muscled physique. He then stood there naked and full-frontal until he had finished what he wanted to tell me.
My most eye-popping experience of youth hostel nudity came when I was backpacking around Israel.

I was staying next to the Dead Sea, alone in a long line of
inter-connected communal showers after a sticky day on a bus through the West Bank. Suddenly the shower room was invaded by a dozen American 16 year-olds looking very fit in their white towels. These were quickly discarded and it became clear they
were far more dirty than me, covered in mud from a caving expedition. They were full of excited chatter about the events of the day. I was unsure where to look. With difficulty, I averted my gaze and got back to washing myself. 

Until that is I was aware of three of them crowding around and almost touching me. Please could I tell them how to turn the showers on, they had never seen a faucet like these. So I had to give them a demonstration. A testing time!

The attached pictures try to convey some of this. A few of the hostels could be old and basic, like the first photo, others might be more comfortable like the second. The third image illustrates the cameraderie. The fourth an impression of what it was like huddled together in those open showers.
atitlan

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:03 +0200, "Fred Stein" <fredstein3@hotmail.com> wrote:

Bring back happy memories. I was very young in the early 70´s - before the interrail - lifting around Europe - living in Youth Hostels! In a way when the world still was innocent for a young man. Think of some stories but probably a bit off-topic - f.i. how I was taught that all Americans sleep nude (at the Youth Hostel in Hannover) .... I would love to hear stories from your days meeting guys a bit more simple as today...
Sorry for my English - not my native language ....



  Same experience here, Atitlan. I traveled much of Europe via International Youth Hostel Association. In more cases than not, the hostels were reasonably modern with large dorm areas -- a dozen or more sleeping areas in a room. Even those which were older, and re-structured from former usages (large homes, etc.) had shared accommodation with "total strangers". Nudity -- and by that, I mean, non-sexual and comfortable nudity -- was common: changing clothing, sleeping, showering and traveling to-from the showers. Conversations like, "I have 60 Swedish kroner. They're worth just a little more than a French franc. I'm leaving early in the morning on the ferry and won't be able to get to a bank. Do you have enough francs to exchange for me?" were conducted nude, and the exchange made.
Admittedly, this was in the 1960's and 70's. It was definitely a "different time" from today's common "shame in nudity".
Alic


---------- Another Forwarded response to the above messages ----------

Well, thank you Fred! For those who are interested, here is my memory of youth hostelling.
If you wanted to travel when I was a teenager, it was either unaffordable - and lonely - hotel rooms or it was youth hostels, which were cheap and always had people to talk to. I stayed in numerous youth hostels in Britain, Germany, Austria, Italy and Israel. No two were alike. They might be a 16-bedded farmhouse in the middle of nowhere or a huge city building with dorms each holding 100. A hot shower was a luxury only some offered; at other hostels it might be a cold-water morning wash from a basin. There were chores to be done. At one mountain hostel I had to go out and gather wood so in the evening we could huddle around a welcome fire with only gas lanterns to take us to bed.

A real feeling of camaraderie could build up. Strangers became fast friends, particularly if they met up again at another hostel later on. When I was 17, I hitch-hiked up to Scotland and found myself constantly bumping into a handsome dark-haired French lad of the same age. His name was Thierry and he wanted to be a brain surgeon. One evening I persuaded him and a girl to go for a walk in the forest outside our Scottish castle hostel. I still remember the intense look he gave me and the feeling of his hand on my shoulder but we were not alone, nothing happened and we never met again.
I am not sure why you were told all Americans slept nude because that was not my experience of Americans in youth hostels. I slept nude and so did some of the others in the male dorms but most seemed to wear what we in Britain call y-fronts. These did not hide much when it was time to get up, with morning erections producing tent poles.

 Lying on a bottom bunk, I would find it difficult not to laugh when the top bunk occupant clambered down, his tented underwear only inches from my face. I always preferred the top bunk to sleep naked.......
The oddest thing about the dorms was the casual nudity. Because we as strangers got to know each other so quickly, we would carry on conversations in the dorm. I remember in Italy a young cyclist with a pleasant but not handsome face getting undressed while talking to me, only for this ugly duckling to turn into a swan. He was hiding a spectacular swimmer's muscled physique. He then stood there naked and full-frontal until he had finished what he wanted to tell me.

My most eye-popping experience of youth hostel nudity came when I was backpacking around Israel. I was staying next to the Dead Sea, alone in a long line of
inter-connected communal showers after a sticky day on a bus through the West Bank.

Suddenly the shower room was invaded by a dozen American 16 year-olds looking very fit in their white towels. These were quickly discarded and it became clear they were far more dirty than me, covered in mud from a caving expedition. They were full of excited chatter about the events of the day. I was unsure where to look. With difficulty, I averted my gaze and got back to washing myself. Until that is I was aware of three of them crowding around and almost touching me. Please could I tell them how to turn the showers on, they had never seen a faucet like these. So I had to give them a demonstration. A testing time!

The attached pictures try to convey some of this. A few of the hostels could be old and basic, like the first photo, others might be more comfortable like the second. The third image illustrates the camaraderie. The fourth an impression of what it was like huddled together in those open showers.

Stay bare.
atitlan

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Wednesday, September 21, 2016

Natural and spontaneous nudity in public parks and recreation areas





The kind of flashing that appeals to me is the sort of 'semi' innocent flashing where guys get naked when changing clothes. It is not as if they really are intending to shock somebody by masturbating and blowing your load right in front of people .. it's a kind of laid-back form of (almost) unintentional public nudity. Don't get me wrong, I'd probably love being exhibitionistic more overtly in certain circumstances -- like in a gay movie theatre or sex club. I know I've enjoyed being watched in gay saunas -- but that is a kind of private sex life that I am not talking about here. 


At least for now, the only kind of public flashing I can do is the accidental exposure - "you weren't supposed to set that" type. I have found that some parks (depends on the country and the city) are great for this type of spontaneous 'naturist' flashing and other are not. 

I have already written about how guys in Japan who are with their teams -- often change in public parks and just outside public ball fields -- you can sometimes get quite a show when they strip down to nothing or try to jump out of their athletic gear and into their street clothes. 

There are other places where I have experienced something a bit different. It seems that there is 'room' in society for a lot of male public nudity in Europe. 

  

Donau Insel (Donau Island), Vienna

Link to info about nudism on Donau Insel (Donau Island inside Vienna on the Danube River):

http://www.nudismus.cz/reports.html

Donau Island in Vienna and its excessive public parks along the Danube River were excellent for this kind of 'innocent' flashing. Along there somewhere may well be a section that is totally nude, but I couldn't find it. It is easy to take the train (subway) to one of at least two stations along this public park-way or arrive at one and walk (30 min) to return via the other - which is the way I explore the area. 

I found that you were more likely to just happen across a nude man or women or see people pull of their clothes to get into the water. A few couples were going at it .. like a woman giving a guy a handjob under his shorts, but it is mainly a family like atmosphere - -but with some nude people mixed in - typically as singles. the long thin island is where I walked and then sunbathed nude, although there were a lot of people on the opposite banks -- the river is quite wide so it was not easy to see what state of undress people were on the far banks. 



What I liked is that you could change clothes (and flashing cyclist) or pick a spot up on the embankments and just get naked, or go for a nude swim and it was not a big deal -- at least not for the casual observers who might glance your way. 

Obviously, Englischer Garten in Munich would be another place. However,  it was raining hard when I was there in August a couple of years ago, so I wasn't able to get naked.  


Innocent Flashing Spots:

Can anyone recommend other places/parks/ public recreation areas where this can easily happen (in North America or elsewhere too)? 

Much of the US tends to be so puritanical about nudity that people are likely to call the police on somebody who just is peeing, let alone actually sunbathing nude in a public park.


However, there are a few places and also some special events where public nudity is tolerated - even downright encouraged.  One of those is the WNBR  (World Naked Bike Ride) held in the northern climes around the second Saturday (or Sunday) in June.  

See the WWW site: http://www.worldnakedbikeride.org/


Saturday, September 17, 2016

Home Exchange and Gay Guest Hosting: An idea whose time has arrived?


artis
Spain : Cataluña : Girona 
Original posting: artis




I would like to start here a group of people interested on hosting exchange

It's always nice to go to a city and find somebody friendly to host you. That can be the start of a good friendship, or at least it can help you to have a safe place to sleep.


Then when that person come to your place you can offer him same chance to enjoy there.

I live in a little town in Costa Brava, Spain, but my husband's parents own a flat in Barcelona.

We would be interested on visiting some cities such as London, Venice, Rome...


Let's see how this works like.

I am a painter and also do photos. I also work giving sensitive massages.

We are not smoking people, and don't use to drink alcohol, and have never been into drugs.

We like quiet and relaxed life, travelling, going to cinema, etc.

We enjoy nudism and pleasant sex.




seghebo
Italy : Emilia-Romagna : Bologna 
Follow up: seghebo
16 Nov
Who does come to Italy ??



toronto
Canada : Ontario : Toronto 
Follow up: toronto
16 Nov
I've done it often...most luck I've had hosting/being hosted around the world were on couchsurfing.com and stay4free.com...these are not sexual sites and have a mix of all sexual orientations but usually attract very open minded and friendly people...happy trails.



surfohio
U.S.A. : Ohio : Cincinnati 
Follow up: surfohio
03 Dec
I'm on couchsurfing too - worth checking out
but you really have to believe in what its all about in order for it to work - Read more and you'll figure it out.

sunbu
ns99
U.S.A. : Hawaii : Pahoa 
Follow up: sunbuns99
18 Dec 23:15 Note to artis, the original poster on this topic on Dudesnude.com I've seen your work on Flickr.
There is a site for gay hosting and house exchanges:
http://www.oneworldonefamily.com


I am not sure how well it is really working. I had the condo in Hawaii that I formerly owned listed on
that site for while, but it never got any serious inquiries. But it might be worth a try. It specializes in gay/lesbian house exchanges.

Another site is iTravEx.com It is not free - but no money is actually exchanged. It works on a point system, although you must have a vacation rental property listed on either VRBO or Owner Direct.

P.S. I realize that some DN may have no interest in 'renting' (making money on exchanging your home), but some other people might. I'm sure artis was interested in a free hosting exchange.

Hosting someone you know is one matter - even getting to know someone by inviting them to stay at your home could be great, but arranging to exchange homes with someone I only met on a website would require much more safeguarding. I do not want to send off my house keys to somebody on the other side an ocean whom I had never met in person (or by telephone) -- if there is not some assurance that everything is legitmate (and I'm sure it works both ways).
A vacation home broker or housing exchange broker or hosting agent would certainly add a sense of security and could make things work smoother (and reduce risks).

So take these as suggestions with that idea in mind. I don't claim that it's a solution, however, I have used with pretty good success such vacation home rental listing services at: VRBO.com and HomeAway.com. So when I found out about iTravex.com I was pretty interested.


ITravex is not a GLBT vacation rental agent (but might be gay friendly) - it is only a broker or site that links up people (host and guest). Actually, it is only available to vacation home owners, but if someone has a place (especially in or near a big city or resort area) that is available for holiday and vacation rentals and can also hosting or housing exchanges for a least part of the year, then you could become a member of iTravex by listing your property on OwnerDirect.com (or with VRBO.com which does cost).


Your home does not have to be actually rented (because YOU always decide whom, when, and under what conditions someone will use your home (second/vacation home). Owner Direct is not the largest vacation rental property listing site (VRBO and the HomeAway sites are the largest and that is why they charge $150-$199 a year). Also, there is no guarantee, people will inquire, but at least, using such a site legitimizes your 'renting' or 'exchanging' your property.


There is no upfront cost for listing on OwnerDirect but you do have to pay a commission (10%) from the rentals.
The way iTravEx works is it allows members to use your earned or purchased iTravEx points to rent a vacation home or apartment. The 'host' (owner) earns these points by letting members 'rent'. There is no actual exchange of money. The point is you don't have to exchange between the two same homeowners - each one can ask to be hosted at any property (as long as the dates, conditions, and points can be negotiated).

My point is I could see how some people here on Dudenude (and a myriad of other gay social networking sites) could actually use iTravex as the kind of 'home exchange' broker/agent.
By the way, some sites such as VRBO (although they cost money annually) allow the adding of such categories for your property as 'clothing optional' and 'alternative lifestyle'.

To be honest, I've had a couple of inquiries from members of iTravex, but no one has actually exchanged home yet.

There are nowadays several iPhone apps where gay men can find places to stay at private residences through the shared accommodation model.   I've thrown in the names too of several other types of gay-specific travel apps.

Gay Spot Info Sharing Map          Gay Homestays