Places to get naked in Europe (gay nude travel) Part 3

Simple and slow to frenetic - all kinds of nude vacation experiencesThere is more than one way to enjoy being nude

There are many places all over Europe where gays can have a relaxing, healthy (play safely) and

also culturally enriching clothing optional - nude vacation. In Spain, Sitges (near Barcelona,the city itself well worth a visit) has a wonderful gay nude beach. For a sex holiday (sex on the nude). I prefer Playa del Igles / Maspalomas on Gran Canaria, (Spain's Canary Islands off the coast of Morocco). which I have just written a lot about in a recent post below. You can find nude beaches in Italy, Croatia, Czech Republic too.

I particularly like the Austrian 'baden' style public spas - soak in the hot tubs and saunas and then go up and sun on the roof tops - liked the one in Linz. Vienna also has a nudist (although I never found the 'gay' section) on Donau Island recreation area - easily reached by train.South of France - such as Cap d'Agde (nudist city) but I have not actually been there to recommend if it is 'gay' enough.The Netherlands and Belgium have nudist and gay beaches (short distance from major cities). Berlin and Munich (mentioned above) have nudist areas in the major city parks -which can be cruisy (and stimulating - particularly to a closet (or overt) exhibitionist - like me. (see pic at above right of Munich's Englischergarten. It is a mixed clothing optional park - right in the heart of the city. You can find clothed people in one section and the nude people stay on the other side of a central path - some areas are definitely more male-oriented. ).

Budapest,Hungary:

I want to visit Budapest again and go to the outdoor nudist pool, Palatinus, on Margaret Island (or Margit Island, MargitSziget). The island is also home to a great park and hosts many events such as those listed below.

The Turkish and Hungarian baths (hamman) all over the city are great places to be naked with lots of local men. For thermal bath etiquette and information on the various public baths, outdoor pools, steambaths or saunas (hamman ) see this link: http://www.frommers.com/destinations/budapest/0047023857.html

Palatinus Strand http://www.frommers.com/destinations/budapest/A30636.html

Gay Pride Budapest: Held yearly.

August 8-15: Sziget Festival The Sziget Festival ('island') is not a gay event, but one of its venue, the Magic Mirror tent, is officially billed as the GLBT place.

Official Tourist site of Budapest http://www.budapestinfo.hu/en/

GayGuide.net Site http://budapest.gayguide.net/Gay_Guide/Events_Gay_Pride/

Europeans (and North Americans) can also enjoy great nude destinations in the US and Canada.

Don't give up on visiting the US too for a great summer time nudist experience. There are sometimes good deals on flight to JFK (NY) or Boston from Scotland or London or Dublin.For example, Provincetown (fly to Boston or train up from New York) and take a 90 min ferry over to P-town - great little gay resort with a wonderful nude and gay beach 15 min. walk from town. While not ' an officially recognized nude beach (meaning it IS against the law ( federal or state regulations may prohibit), there are long standing traditions of getting naked at the most famous and visited nude beaches in the US. However, it is not a 'right' to get naked, as might be the case in Europe - unfortunately, so you should be aware that park rangers and local police sometimes patrol. Remember, there is safety in numbers.

Hostel Hotness (from discussions on Dudesnude, DickFlash & JUB)

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Innocent Exhibitionism -- cross-cultural male camarderie in Japan

While living in Japan, I found it kind of amazing that the otherwise polite and docile Japanese could be so rowdy and get so raunchy in the right circumstances. Most of these centered around group events where drinking was involved. I guess it happens everywhere with young people -- like any college parties and fraternities, etc. But still is a bit of a paradox when the seemingly shy Japanese get plastered (or maybe that's just an excuse or front) and start stripping and performing what Puritanical Americans would think of as "lewd" acts.

While Japanese are modest about nudity in general, there are times when you can catch a

glimpse of guys showing pubic hair or asses -- and sometimes a cock. I used to go cycling along some of the rivers around Tokyo. The city uses the flood banks for public sports fields or you can also see similar activities in public parks too. When stopping for a break, I could often get glimpses of guys changing clothes in broad daylight - I mean -  from street clothes -- stripping down to nothing or fleeting glimpse of ass and cock, and change into their team uniform or sports clothes right there in front of everyone -- especially when they were surrounded by the hunky teammates. Teams of intramural sports -- soccer, rugby, American football, baseball play on these fields usually during the weekends and holidays. Invariably, because there are no dressing rooms, the guys have to strip and change out of and back into their street clothes.This kind of CMNM scene has always been a turn-on -- it is like seeing one naked guys in a locker room full of clothed athletes, but it is out in public -- an open field.


It's kind of cool to see this kind of "innocent" exhibitionism among team members. But

there is another type of flashing among Japanese men that seems to happen a lot but is not really so innocent -- maybe not really sexual or sensual -- but more like playful machismo, I guess, but it is still a turn on.

I never got invited to participate to such a degree but I have been in the room -- usually at a overnight retreat at an inn or hot springs resort where similar male stripping occurs. Without fail, some of the guys get (supposedly) too drunk to stop themselves, and end up pulling all kinds of stunts. They seem to start out as party games and end up with somebody getting undressed -- sort of voluntary (or sometimes forced) flashing for the rest of the group.
I never got any photos -- but I found these photos on the net by a group of Japanese

college students . They seem pretty typical for the kind of drunken playfulness that leads to somebody getting pantsed or just flashing the group. I used a Japanese language search engine and found these.


Japanese sometimes call this "skinship"

What is so cool about it? Has anybody else experienced this kind of male-male "bonding" rituals between straight guys or in mixed gender groups -- in North America, Asia, or Europe? I don't have a fetish about it , but think it is kind of cool. While these guys are sort of playing around with "sexy" homoerotic behaviors -- maybe even identifying a bit with the homoerotic nature of what they doing. it seems to me a kind of healthy way to de-sexualize nudity between men. Yes, there are some women at the party too -- although none of them usually get nude or show much if anything at all.

Share any thoughts or photos you have in the subject on this topic.... 

Is a joint JUB / Dudesnude / Manhunt Gathering possible?

Is a joint JustUsBoys (JUB) / Dudesnude / Manhunt Gathering or Summer Party  possible? 
Why? How? Where? When? This is an article for ideas for getting it started.

It seems that JUB (JustusBoys.com) members are hosting small gatherings across the US. Is anyone here actually participating in those -- attending and/or planning? I wonder if another large online virtual community like Dudesnude.com or Manhunt.net could do the same? Would there be any benefit of trying to hold a joint party/gathering?

That brings up the idea of a "joint" cross-group event - -but after all isn't that what PRIDE events or the annual street fairs are all about (such as Southern Decadence). 

I am not nixing the idea of a Dudesnude party or convention or other event. I am just making some suggestions so it might actually happen. For example, we could hook-up with an existing event and thus attract more JustUsBoys or Dudesnude members to attend. I am also explaining what I think is needed to be decided in order to get one organized. 

At least, we could start by having local JUB or Dudesnudes members sponsor one event at a major Gay Pride / Gay Carnival event (on their continent or region). 
 
As I thought (and wrote) more about it the idea of a Dudesnude-JUB Gathering seems more possible and more fun -- so I have started making real suggestions (at least on Dudesnude.com). I have approached the idea to anyone here -- except through this blog entry. 


The realities of actually organizing 'party' / 'convention' - 'round-up' or whatever it is called are daunting if you try to actually get many DN members to attend. 
Instead, there may be some wisdom in starting on a smaller scale. It does takes a spark -- a somebody(ies) who will take the initiative to set a place/time, have a clear purpose/events/activities, make contacts and coordinate communication.  

I seems to be a bit difficult to come up with a 'purpose' for a DN party -- if it a sex party/orgy then we'd better call

it that. If it's a social gathering or an organizational meeting then we'd need to get that clear. If it a DN sponsored event that is part of another major gay (men's) event or an event or series of events organized for DN (on its own) that's great but we need something to focus on: a parade float, BBQ, camp-out, beach party, ice-cream social, apres-ski party, pot-luck supper (in the nude) etc) then that would work.

If is going to have multiple purposes then that's got to be decided or at least sorted out, but it seems that we're not likely to come up with ONE general purpose because of the diversity of men, locations, ages, and interests. 

   

Still, if somebody got one party/convention organized, once it has been started and successfully held, it would be model on how to proceed with others (or how to improve upon the idea).
Also, why not have them rotate from venue to venue and occur several times a year?-- instead of trying to have simultaneous 'parties/conventions'. 

 So ... I'll help organize one in JUB-DudesNude-Manhunt Gathering for Summer 2014 / Fall 2014 / Winter 2014-15 (US (several locations), or Europe would be possible. 

The First Honolulu JUB-DN Gathering is easy - I think it should be on January 1st at Diamond Head Beach from 12:00 noon - until about 5pm. If enough guys are interested, then we could set up a BBQ picnic in nearby Kapiolani Park (but the Jubbing around (talk, chatting, playing game and Dudenuding could go on at the (unofficial gay/nude beach under the Light House on Diamond Head Beach. )

Stay tuned below for more info and an Evite (electronic invitation).  

Palm Springs Dec 22-24 -- we could stay where we like but gather at one site (Inn Exile, CCBC, or wherever) for the main party/event(s). 
or 
Sometime in February 21-March 9 Big Island (nude gay beach party on the Puna shore, accommodation could be at Kalani resort - from camping to bungalows to hotel-class rooms )

Playa del Ingles / Maspalomas (Gran Canaria, Spain) Carnival 2nd to 12th March, 2015 
or later March 19-28, 2015.

There are cheap flights from London, Germany, Amsterdam, Madrid. We could organize shared accommodations at both gay and vacation condo/hotels and have a huge blast on the largest gay beaches in the world during the day (all in the nude) and then split up into small dance/bar-hopping by interest groups at the many clubs in the Yumbo Center in the evenings. 

Tampa or South Florida, March 16-19, 2015

I could attend one in Europe (and maybe help out with one) in London, Paris, Amsterdam, Budapest) in March -- if the Gran Canaria does not work out. 

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TRYING OUT EVITE as a way to help organize (and/or just poll the members about enough interest to pursue the idea, and to actually start planning a location/time.

If you guys will indulge me, I have created an Evite to test its ability to actually find out WHO would attend a JUB/Dudesnude party or Gathering.

If you can or can't, I need a few JUB/DN members to try out the Evite link below:

Since it is may be a BROKEN URL link (yes, I understand very well why it may be), then you can piece together the parts of the URL and send me a reply at the EVITE site. Or you can send me e-mail and I will send you an Evite directly. It includes some of the features -- liking polling, brining things, that future JUB and/or DudesNude or Joint JUB-DN gathering hosts might need to know and info they'd need to be able to do collect. 
So I'll someone who reads this will try it out -- even if you can't really attend that event on Jan. 1st in Honolulu.

Since I don't know the everyone's e-mails (nor would I send it to EVERYONE even if I did), but I do need a couple of people to try to see if Eventbrite works. 

http://www.eventbrite.com/o/club-cmnm-2813880240

One major stumbling block to actually organizing an DudesNude  / JustUsBoys / Manhunt event or party is the fact this is not a email LIST or group (Yahoo or MSN, etc). So there is no way to send everyone a message (apart from site host / web admin) - and they should NOT have to organize events AND run / host this site too. 

So here's the link and hope you can make it (or at least try to send a RSVP or decline the invitation). 
It will give me (and maybe someone in a different location) a resource for helping to organize a JUB/ DN event (if it works). 


Thanx,
Sunbuns99 (Kelly)

Or you could just write me e-mail and I'll send you an electronic (email) invitation.

Nudism: Father and sons / parent-child

It may be that those who don't have children (of either sex) might possibly 'project' what might be their own doubts (or fears or sexual inclinations) when they consider how gay or bisexual fathers could be perfectly comfortable being naked with their children (especially sons), or even want to make sure that they DO get the opportunity to learn / experience being comfortable naked with their dads and other men.

I don't ever recall having the slightest urge to 'know' my own sons biblically (i.e. in a less than wholesome way) and never gave the first thought to being sexually attracted to them. I'd be less than honest to say that this was not always true about some of their high school friends and soccer teammates. However, I never ever acted on these thoughts - although I wouldn't morally condemn some man who did - that's not what the issue or the original question on this thread is about.

I'm not rejecting the possibility that some fathers could have more than an affectionate or fatherly interest in their sons, but I'd bet that most do not.

In my own case, there was no willful desire, ulterior motive or sinister plan to let the boys see me (and my wife) naked. It was just a natural family thing. We did not raise them in Judeo-Christian religion-influenced America so that probably had a lot to do with reasons why it just seemed natural. We bathed together, went to public baths and hot springs resorts, and a few sometime visited nude beaches (or clothing-optional spots, in other countries - such as Greece and Munich's Englischergarten). Conversations sometimes included references to what they saw or were experiencing and there were the inevitable questions. But it was appropriate and in context - so it was a good way and good time to answer their questions: about sex or sexual attraction or feelings and behavior.

I think my sons today have a healthy respect for the human body and an amazing tolerance for

diversity - including my own bisexuality, which evidently was even clear to them long before we actually told them.

I can't say that it's all attributable to our being nude together as a family but I think it was a contributing factor or at least just one in a long series of ways of thinking and ways of treating people and being nude that helped them to be open and honest about sexual issues, and not be morally uptight or self-righteous about gender, nudity and human sexual behavior.
They are both heterosexual and over 21-year-old male adults. I am talking about our being nude when they were infants, young boys and into the teenage years. We don't have as much occasion to get naked together these days.

Well... they do mean something.... what more can I say. I'll try.
I was TRYING to support you in the idea that being nude with your sons (or any kids) can be (even should be) something that's very natural and not a cause for alarm. (like some of the hyper-moralistic gay men are suggesting).

BUT .. it does depend on the situation (where you take them and what you 'show' them both physically and your own mental messages to the boys. And it also depends a lot on the boys' (children) own self-understanding and self-acceptance.
Hey, I'm not perfect. The 'idea' of a father and son being sexually involved is a secret fantasy. I enjoy reading Handjobs

http://www.hjmag.com/handjobs/
But it IS just fantasy material - I find I am not attracted at all to my own offspring. However, the thought has crossed my mind often enough about other fathers and their sons.

I think that all boys have at least one time or another (or maybe more than that) had to come to grips with the thought of their father as a sexual being or even an object of some kind of sexual emotions or physical intimacy. But they usually grow out (of it) and grow up (more interested in other things or girls (or guys) their own age before any attraction toward their dad is acted upon. Close to 90% of boys have experience with sexual 'play' with other boys - it's about being a male of the human species.

Fathers are likely to have experienced these same fleeting feelings (and then usually they passed ) and the realization about their sons growing up sexually. I noticed that the discussion has since about stopped. There was one point that had many people curious. You avoided answering the question about your son's ages. In today's climate of "anti-child predator" and all the media hype about child sexual abuse, and Internet child/teen sex / chat rooms etc, I realize you probably don't want to admit much of anything, but you could have said just that it's private or that it's not important to the gist of the discussion. By the way, I would not fault you if you did admit you enjoy being admired by your sons (I don't care what age they are).

Hope you can get what I meant.
Kelly