A "classic" CMNM experience and its meaning explored

These are the 'real' guys who really do it for me... like in this CMNM photo.

It's a classic (NON-sexual) situation - but for the 'trained' observer (and practitioner of CMNM(clothed male naked male) .. this is very hot. It's a photo that has story - a set of relationships - buddy-to-buddy and in a group..
It's about being naked (because of and for the benefit of others ) for uniquely for reasons that are different for each person in the room.
And it''s about having fun. They are dancing and naked with friends -- not so much ashamed as just shy or reluctant to brag or show off - but still just enough to want to... the hot young bodies make it the whole scene even more eye-catching and attractive...

The second photo is another classic CMNM example. The guys are just being boys and doing 'what boys do' but so often it involved playful sexually-suggested aggressive behavior. Although he appears to be just all in fun,  it's really a lot more about the sensuality of male sex. Sometimes, I'd dare say a lot more than could ever be admitted by them (although eventually 'one' will grow up and confess otherwise).. there is a lot more sexual attraction and downright flirtation in these 'naked fights' than meets the eye.

A recent posting (today or last night) was definitely a CMNM experience and not simply male-to-male flashing.
stephen wrote:    I'm a VERY straight looking and acting Bi guy and LOVE getting seen naked by straight men. I really enjoy having Workmen, Truck Drivers etc see me in the buff. I keep it TOTALLY straight though.

I recently went for a bike ride on a hot day, and came accross a Truck Stop. There was a Truck Driver washing his truck. The area was kinda hidden from the main road. I asked the Driver if there were any taps around to cool off. He pointed one out next to his truck.

I stripped off and had a shower under the hose! He knew i was naked, and it was obvious he didn't care, nor was interested- PERFECT!

I then walked up to him starkers and started chatting while drying off.
I love this sort of thing, nothing sexual- just Blokey nudity!
Anyone else into the same?

Forgive me for crossing posting.... but this CNMN thread was far down the list (and probably NOT going to be read unless it has a 'new' posting)

The above story by Stephen is the kind of non self-gratifying erotic or intimate experience (no or little arousal or orgasmic climax - at least not then - maybe later) is exactly what I've been talking about (on this site and others and my new blog) - as the classic CMNM experience.

  Sports team member is stripped and shows off for the coaches and staff members. [Caption for photo above.]

I think it comes from a basic need for most (gay or str8 ) males to express intimacy between

themselves and other men - - it's not just sexual lust (although it certainly can be and - for some people -- it IS a large part of it - for others, perhaps like Stephen - it is not - it's more social and psychological or emotional.

So. .CMNM is using 'nudity' to symbolize and actualize this intimacy. Think about it... what could be MORE intimate than bearing your nude body to another guy (clothed or not) - it's a kind of symbolic act - NOT SUBMISSIVE either -' although for some guys it could be )-- but it's like saying: "Hey, dude. I am me - see me as I am and accept me for what and who I am. I want to be your buddy and for you to be mine."

Often times, it is easier for guys to start to really communicate once one of them has 'bared' his 

soul and his body to his buddy (or even a new friend or stranger)..... We can see this theme repeated over and over again on the different posts on this board....      CMNM occurs when one male 'needs' to be nude - actually naked - and the other guy(s) are clothed - they are apparently NON-plussed by the fact of the nudity or just oblivious, unconcerned or feigning disinterest. For some the 'clothed' person becomes an object of desire IF he seems to be interested and excited by the sight of the nudity - other's seem to get their rocks off by the embarrassment that such causes to the clothed viewer.. all these are simply variations on the basic theme.  

I know somebody is going to say I'm over intellectualizing - I can agree with that... but no matter how much I 'talk' / lecture - or NOT... it doesn't change the fact that male-to-male intimacy and the lack of it is at the core of what drives us to return to this site and these discussion and to tell our stories and experiences...

Stephen's experience is what I call what I call an 'authentic' CMNM experience
It's not really about flashing, which is a specific kind and more directed or focused sexual experience than the one that Stephen is describing above.

For more info see my blog (or contribute to it):
  Guys into CMNM (on Blogger)

 http://guysn2cmnm.blogspot.com

CMNM - Clothed Male / Naked Male groups - real and online

CMNM - Clothed Male / Naked Male groups - real and online One reader to our Guys Into CMNM blog wrote to ask recently: (That's you, Allen. Thanks.) I thought the cmnm scene and getting local groups started might be something which has some appeal to some of the guys here, too: Note: The original blog entry is located at: Guys into CMNM: Networking for CmNm Groups / Events in Local Areas Question: I wanted to see if you had a group of CMNM in northern Indiana for me to join? Any ideas and/or contacts I could make to join in the area? Thanks. Answer: So.. what do you do when you live in a rural area or far away from a metropolitan area? Are there any local groups and if not, what you do to get one started?   (Answered by 'sunbuns', Kelly Lewis, editor and admin, Guys Into CMNM blog and social networks). While they may be members of one of our several social networking (online) groups who live the your area, Northern Indiana (or southern Mich or northwestern Ohio), I don't think there are any real (off-line) CMNM meetings or events -- at least not yet. CMNM hasn't be recognized for very long and it's still not commonly understood - even by the very men (particularly gay men) who are so turned on by it. There are elements of it in so many activities / situations that are NOT simply sexual by definition. For example, there may be a men's nudist group in your area or close by. While many don't advocate sexual behavior at their events, some don't prohibit certain types of opportunities where naked and clothed men can intermingle. Another form of CMNM often occurs in certain male sports or fitness situations - joining a YMCA, or other type of fitness club, or amateur sports league often gives a guy (CM or NM) a chance to interact with other males in clothed or naked situations. Obviously, there may not be any overt sexual behavior but it can nevertheless be highly stimulating. For overt sexual situations, you can try a gay baths/sauna. I think Toledo has at  least one, and there are certainly some in a few of the major cities around you;  likewise a few gay bars have events where nudity (or semi-nudity) is condoned,  or even where it is encouraged in backrooms, or enclosed patios, etc. Of course, you can try to start a group -- or at least - hold a CMNM event in your area. I have lots of ideas and would do as much as possible to help promote in on our blogs, and  social networks, etc. Depending on when it's held, I might be able to attend or  organize/host part of it (I'll be traveling in North America from August 1 - 30  -from Hawaii to New York, from San Franciso, California to Provincetown, MA). One way to start is to make your interest known by joining one (or all) of our Guys Into CMNM social networks. You may want to use a separate email address (since your real identity may expose you to some unwanted noisiness or scrutiny). However, in today's world, it has become less of a problem publicly admitting that one is gay. However, homophobes and morally self-righteous extremists still exist (and may actually be thriving). It's probably obvious but it will take some initiative and some effort on the part of at least one person to get such an event or group started. However, even one is not enough. Therefore, you have to try to encourage or attract guys to actually participate FIRST as people -- not as sexual objects. If you try to 'round up' a bunch of hunks for your own private orgy, it's not going to work unless you look like a male fashion model and have the body of an Olympic athlete. To be realistic, most guys into CMNM are just regular guys. The guy down the street or the one who works at the mall or in local office building. What's it going to take to get them to come up with the courage to attend a CMNM event. My advice for guys trying to get a group started is to first make it a fully clothed gathering to initially. Then a part of the group's activity can be to do something that involves nudity for a fairly short and non-threatening, fun activity - such as ask (or hire) a nude model for some sketching of the naked male form. Or watch a movie where male nudity is a recurring theme or important point in the plot. Hold a pool party or barn dance, play badminton or horseshoes, and allow some of the participants to disrobe. Set up a fashion night or a costume party in which the 'models' strip for a certain 'runway' event or make it a fund-raiser for charity by letting the audience bid for removal of each piece of clothing for some 'lucky' or willing volunteer who, thereby, gets stripped. Sexual behavior (penetrative anal or oral) does not have to be involved - especially when the group's members are just meeting for the first time. If there are sparks, then it's better that things develop slowly so that everyone knows the boundaries and feels comfortable acting within them before starting any more 'aggressive' types of CMNM behaviors or situations, especially those involving domination or humiliation or mild bondage. It's not easy but it can be done. It's just not going to happen over night and the key to first find a couple of others who are interested and also willing to be patient with the slow development of the group. Most guys who are turned on my other men sexually just want to jump to the wild orgy -- and that's NOT going to happen in most cases. If you want sex with strangers, then use Craig's List or go to a gay sex club, or travel to where there is one. I know I've gone long to answer, but it was a good question, and one whose answer I can attempt to make an appropriate blog entry. Good luck and let me know how I might be able to help out. That's the sort of group that I'm trying to getting started or revive. It's like when we were teens -- nobody thought that much about a circle jerk with your buds. I, myself, yearn for those times. CMNM is - for some of us - a lot about restoring some of the playfulness and rowdiness to male relationships.  For many, they may never need that time again. Guys who have regular satisfying sex (physically and emotionally) probably would be interested. But then why are the majority of guys who hang out on sites like this one actually here? (No, need to answer - it's a rhetorical question). CMNM can be a lot more than immature sex games and playing around with nudity, etc.. but that part of it should not be ignored or related only to foreplay.

Is a joint JUB / Dudesnude / Manhunt Gathering possible?

Is a joint JustUsBoys (JUB) / Dudesnude / Manhunt Gathering or Summer Party  possible? 
Why? How? Where? When? This is an article for ideas for getting it started.

It seems that JUB (JustusBoys.com) members are hosting small gatherings across the US. Is anyone here actually participating in those -- attending and/or planning? I wonder if another large online virtual community like Dudesnude.com or Manhunt.net could do the same? Would there be any benefit of trying to hold a joint party/gathering?

That brings up the idea of a "joint" cross-group event - -but after all isn't that what PRIDE events or the annual street fairs are all about (such as Southern Decadence). 

I am not nixing the idea of a Dudesnude party or convention or other event. I am just making some suggestions so it might actually happen. For example, we could hook-up with an existing event and thus attract more JustUsBoys or Dudesnude members to attend. I am also explaining what I think is needed to be decided in order to get one organized. 

At least, we could start by having local JUB or Dudesnudes members sponsor one event at a major Gay Pride / Gay Carnival event (on their continent or region). 
 
As I thought (and wrote) more about it the idea of a Dudesnude-JUB Gathering seems more possible and more fun -- so I have started making real suggestions (at least on Dudesnude.com). I have approached the idea to anyone here -- except through this blog entry. 


The realities of actually organizing 'party' / 'convention' - 'round-up' or whatever it is called are daunting if you try to actually get many DN members to attend. 
Instead, there may be some wisdom in starting on a smaller scale. It does takes a spark -- a somebody(ies) who will take the initiative to set a place/time, have a clear purpose/events/activities, make contacts and coordinate communication.  

I seems to be a bit difficult to come up with a 'purpose' for a DN party -- if it a sex party/orgy then we'd better call

it that. If it's a social gathering or an organizational meeting then we'd need to get that clear. If it a DN sponsored event that is part of another major gay (men's) event or an event or series of events organized for DN (on its own) that's great but we need something to focus on: a parade float, BBQ, camp-out, beach party, ice-cream social, apres-ski party, pot-luck supper (in the nude) etc) then that would work.

If is going to have multiple purposes then that's got to be decided or at least sorted out, but it seems that we're not likely to come up with ONE general purpose because of the diversity of men, locations, ages, and interests. 

   

Still, if somebody got one party/convention organized, once it has been started and successfully held, it would be model on how to proceed with others (or how to improve upon the idea).
Also, why not have them rotate from venue to venue and occur several times a year?-- instead of trying to have simultaneous 'parties/conventions'. 

 So ... I'll help organize one in JUB-DudesNude-Manhunt Gathering for Summer 2014 / Fall 2014 / Winter 2014-15 (US (several locations), or Europe would be possible. 

The First Honolulu JUB-DN Gathering is easy - I think it should be on January 1st at Diamond Head Beach from 12:00 noon - until about 5pm. If enough guys are interested, then we could set up a BBQ picnic in nearby Kapiolani Park (but the Jubbing around (talk, chatting, playing game and Dudenuding could go on at the (unofficial gay/nude beach under the Light House on Diamond Head Beach. )

Stay tuned below for more info and an Evite (electronic invitation).  

Palm Springs Dec 22-24 -- we could stay where we like but gather at one site (Inn Exile, CCBC, or wherever) for the main party/event(s). 
or 
Sometime in February 21-March 9 Big Island (nude gay beach party on the Puna shore, accommodation could be at Kalani resort - from camping to bungalows to hotel-class rooms )

Playa del Ingles / Maspalomas (Gran Canaria, Spain) Carnival 2nd to 12th March, 2015 
or later March 19-28, 2015.

There are cheap flights from London, Germany, Amsterdam, Madrid. We could organize shared accommodations at both gay and vacation condo/hotels and have a huge blast on the largest gay beaches in the world during the day (all in the nude) and then split up into small dance/bar-hopping by interest groups at the many clubs in the Yumbo Center in the evenings. 

Tampa or South Florida, March 16-19, 2015

I could attend one in Europe (and maybe help out with one) in London, Paris, Amsterdam, Budapest) in March -- if the Gran Canaria does not work out. 

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TRYING OUT EVITE as a way to help organize (and/or just poll the members about enough interest to pursue the idea, and to actually start planning a location/time.

If you guys will indulge me, I have created an Evite to test its ability to actually find out WHO would attend a JUB/Dudesnude party or Gathering.

If you can or can't, I need a few JUB/DN members to try out the Evite link below:

Since it is may be a BROKEN URL link (yes, I understand very well why it may be), then you can piece together the parts of the URL and send me a reply at the EVITE site. Or you can send me e-mail and I will send you an Evite directly. It includes some of the features -- liking polling, brining things, that future JUB and/or DudesNude or Joint JUB-DN gathering hosts might need to know and info they'd need to be able to do collect. 
So I'll someone who reads this will try it out -- even if you can't really attend that event on Jan. 1st in Honolulu.

Since I don't know the everyone's e-mails (nor would I send it to EVERYONE even if I did), but I do need a couple of people to try to see if Eventbrite works. 

http://www.eventbrite.com/o/club-cmnm-2813880240

One major stumbling block to actually organizing an DudesNude  / JustUsBoys / Manhunt event or party is the fact this is not a email LIST or group (Yahoo or MSN, etc). So there is no way to send everyone a message (apart from site host / web admin) - and they should NOT have to organize events AND run / host this site too. 

So here's the link and hope you can make it (or at least try to send a RSVP or decline the invitation). 
It will give me (and maybe someone in a different location) a resource for helping to organize a JUB/ DN event (if it works). 


Thanx,
Sunbuns99 (Kelly)

Or you could just write me e-mail and I'll send you an electronic (email) invitation.