Hostel Hotness: Experiencing CMNM flashing in hotels and hostels

Hostel Hotness 

(from discussions on DN, DF & JUB)

Elegantism (member id) started off the discussion on hostel hotness like this:

Traveling through Europe,  I stayed in hostels sometimes]8 guys to a room so I always thoughts something hot would go down.

I remember this one time in Italy where the room was tiny and there were 6 guys in it. all ended up sleeping naked on top of the sheets sweating and boning all night long.

Any more exciting stories?
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Follow up: beachpuppy
I was staying in a hostel in Verona, Italy, in a beautiful converted villa. Some of the showers were communal, shower heads from a common pillar. When you took showers, it meant you were standing around the same pillar, sort of face to face. Got hooked up there taking showers together...

Follow up: nakedparis
It happened to me in Budapest; the hostel was an university residence and showers were in a big room; there were little walls between showers but no curtains, so it was easy to peer the guys in the fron shower's line or drying after the shower.
In Stockholm too, I found two hostels with showers not very private; there were curtains, but the undressing room was common, so before and after the shower, we could peer each other.
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My response:

It's great to find others who are equally attracted to CMNM (clothed male / naked male) experiences at hostels. Sex is sometimes overrated and that's not just sour grapes because I can and do get a lot of it. But I find the male bonding / friendship/ buddy camaraderie / 'skinship' aspect of relationships with other men (not just sex) can be so much more easily experienced in an environment like a hostel and I find myself craving such experiences because I feel so isolated from knowing men fully. Sure I can fuck around with guys, but it find it hard to make friends or just be buddies with guys without sex at the same time releasing our typically mutual inhibitions toward deeper male friendships.

I have had some great times and also some highly homoerotic stays at several hostels... particularly at one hostel (presently unnamed) - which I have described here on a previous thread posting (now disappeared). I've written about these hostels and sought and given advice about traveling using hostels and the male bonding / male nudity that can happen here and on my blogs. 

nakedparis (above) has a great idea but I think we need another site/venue to share these since DN is so limited and the posts eventually scroll up and disappear. Also, there is the issue of privacy - when we start actually naming places and giving out address, then it may get back to the hostel owners (indirectly) that their establishments is targeted by gays/bi-guys seeking sex in their hostels. Some of the hottest places to stay are not always to gay-friendly or diversity oriented.

In the meantime, I want to hear more from elegantism about his experiences...
Hey, don't any of you guys blog? One cool idea is to create a Group Blog (using Blogger and Flickr) with multiple account holders (blog members). It's easy to set up (I can do that) and then you can either post entries by going to the Blogger (there can be many blog members or you can blog an entry by sending an email (even with an attached photo).

What do you say? Anybody want to try that... the discussion can still go on here but a 'good / useful' entry could also easily be blogged too. It doesn't mean to have to share id or have common passwords either.

A few days later...... I added:

I created the CMNM blog and I can add you as a co-author.
Actually, you don't have to actually join blogger to do so - because even without being an (approved) blog author - it is now set up to allow posts to be sent by e-mail. That address is written in the first (trial) post at:

http://guysn2cmnm.blogspot.com/

The problem is how to handle explicit sexual photographs (I discuss in that post). Not having any solves that dilemma-- but there is still the matter of what constitutes 'sensual / sexy vs erotic or artistic nude vs blatant sexual behavior or obscenity as defined by the courts.

It won't be an issue-- of course -- if nobody ever posts or even reads it.
Look at it first and then tell me what you think about 'managing' the off-site blog..... Guys Into CMNM

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So now it is off and running more to follow later.....
Kelly

Experiencing CMNM flashing: Ideas for hotels and hostels 

These next series of posts might be interesting to someone who wants to be see naked by other guys - particularly by str8 or clothed men when you are in 'nude' situations. I don't consider this blatant or in-your-face exhibitionism - for me, it is a sort of sensous and partly innocent accident flashing or being seen naked (or purpose) where nudity might be expected. I find it even hotter and more

sexually stimulating when the guys doing the looking are either supposedly straight or are themselves clothed. It's great when they take notice or when you can tell that they kind of like the experience (or the freedom and license) to get naked them. Many don't need to get permission and quite a few don't care or even notice, but you know never what will happen or how they might react - there are surprising results sometimes - and far from bad ones.

A few weeks ago a posted question came from somebody on another board:

I am staying in a budget hotel next week with shower and toilet in the hallway. Stayed there before and tried the basic stuff. Like walking to the shower and up and down the corridors in underwear, and even nude, but was, as far as I know, never seen.

Does anyone have any creative ideas to show off or to risk being seen in this situation? Perhaps I can post some pics of your fantasy..

Here is how I responded to the guy's request for suggestions:

I had a conference in Honolulu and had planned to stay in a shared hotel room with a str8 buddy. As it turns out, my friend is not going to make it (his wife is coming along), so I made a reservation for a large (10 bed) dorm room in one of these hotels. It sounds like I might had more luck to choose the small dorm room (just 4 beds) since it might be more conducive to a break-out jo sessions. I know I'll be horny as hell and probably not get a wink of sleep - just hearing out guys breathing / turning over / adjust clothes / and the normal sounds of sleeping turns me on like crazy. I don't know what I'll do if one of them is audibly (or visibly) beating off. Still, I'd love to hear more.

I'll be at a hostel next week Feb 15-18. It's more like budget hotel with shared rooms 4 to 8 people in either co-ed or female only room. However, it's actually rare to have a coed dorm room be that. single women at a hostel rarely stay in a dorm so they are most all male -- but some regular hotels and inns have larger rooms where guests/strangers who don't know each other share at least a WC/shower but also the bedroom (and lounge/ en suite facilities (kitchen / bathroom etc).

Here are my suggestions for the hotel you've chosen:  

( I think you only have a shared bath/toilet . But it really all depends on the actual place and how lucky (popular LOL) you are with the other guests).
Whether it's a true hostel situation or just a hotel that's cheaply built; changes how you can set up a flash - we're obviously talking about innocent exposure (and kind of CMNM - not a full-on shove hard cock in their face). If you can do that kind, you probably would NOT be asking for advice.

So it depends on the rooms (size and number of beds shared if at all) the layout of rooms and hallways, number of floors, how big (or small) the bath /toilet (in Europe (and Japan) it's always separate but not in North America. Other important things are who are the guests - backpackers - young, free-minded and playful or staid conservative hard-line tourist or locals who are just too stingy to stay at more expensive hotels (no offense --- I've stayed at many a budget hotel myself - there are many reasons to do so - than just saving money - friendliness, personal attention and a chance to talk to local owners (who are more likely to own and run it themselves).

1) leave the door unlocked - even if you are NOT 'surprised' once when somebody embarrassingly open it while you're nude..for example they open the door and then close it quickly after getting a glimpse of you - (even though you did see or don't acknowledge having seen them)  at least , he will know that there is a good possibility of it happening again (you've established a 'predictable' pattern ) so he might just deliberating sneak open the door the next time for a better look or just swing it back wide to give somebody else a chance to see.  

2) stay at least 3 nights -if you can.. Notice other's habits/timing for taking showering (or needing the bathroom) -- then make sure you're there before during or after - in some states of undress.     

3) Sometimes you can time it so well that you can be ready with all your stuff and clutching your towel loosely around your waste.. and then look disappointed if he makes in in before you. if he hesitate just say you won't be long or you're in a rush to an appointment so ask if you can jump inthe shower quickly ahead of him - while he shaves ...
4) If it's the reverse you get in first but see that he was wanting to shower/use the bath too (he's got his shower gear etc). You can suggest he go first IF you can get started with shaving -- then you can come in too and strip naked and shave until he gets finished with his shower. and comes out to dry.  

5) Use the shared bath/shower on another floor - then you have an excuse to be half-naked (skimpy towel that seems to be falling down by inself ) for a long distance... People want notice unless - for example, you ride up and down on the elevator naked to visit many floors. 

6) Pretend to go to a room (on the same or different floor where you KNOW there is not guest) - you can see the key has not been picked up - there are not footsteps at all from the room directly above yours.  

Then act like you're trying to get into visit that 'empty' room's guest - wearing only your underwear or skimpy towel -- you can knock of the door just as someone opens to come out or when the elevator opens -- knock and whisper a name but drop something -- bending over to pick it up you 'accidently' loose grip on the towel around your naked loins - IT'S OLD comedy routine but it works because most people are embarassed for you NOT because of you. If you clumsy -looking enough, sometimes people will even reach out to help you retrieve something - like the towel. and then you can turn to be red-faced with mocked shame...  The problem with this one is that you can't be sure the person who will view is male or female.

7) Another way to so pretend to be mistaken about a friend's room number. Most people won't open for a complete stranger but if you are insistent and seem to KNOW a real person who you know is 'inside' - most people will open the door to correct your error - out of kindness - If they don't or won't, and just yell through the door then nothing's been harmed.  

If they do open it without speaking to you first, you can just pretend to be expecting your 'friend' and start to come in through the door - but you'll be SO surprised that the person is NOT who you were expecting that you drop your shower/bath gear and then loose hold of the towel trying to catch the shampoo bottle. It's better if you actually do have your hands full or are holding something else because the 'normal 'reaction would be to turn or to try to cover your genitals. The guy (hopefully you'll get one 50%of the time) will either look up at your face (either before or after he looks right at your cock). If it's noticeable he's not completely disgusted or seems to find it amusing, then smile and apologize and explain that you thought Hans/George was in this room and you needed to give him an urgent message - all the while still not covering up and even almost or dropping something else (unbreakable) to that the guy (guest) has to get down and look up to see from a 'better' angle. Your cock should have swelled a bit now -- so he'll show even more appreciation in his eyes or make it clear that he wants you to leave.

Hey.. I came up with a lot of bold and perhaps successful ones -- I can't wait to try out some of them myself... 

Final suggestion, next time try a hostel - you're in a room all the time with men - so you can be as naked as much as you can get away with it-- the bath/shower is attached usually so you can freely go back and forth in the nude to your own ..  

Nowadays.. I'm sure that might be one reason that advertize these rooms as MIXED or COED - but - in truth - only a group of women would stay in a mixed group room - usually then the hotel clerk puts that group by itself. Also there are women only group rooms - so it's very like you'll only be put in a room with men.  

What I hate is when I am the ONLY person in the room. Sometimes if the hostel is not busy -they will put a lone 'wolf' - single older guys into one of the doubles/couples rooms (for the same price ) but sometimes I think it's just them taking a precaution - or out of respect for the noise that younger (under 26) supposedly make. Frankly I LIKE the noise they make - that's why I'm staying in the hostel (that and the opportunity to see and be seen naked). Still it is lucky to happen because most people are stranger than they are normal around strangers. LOL 

I'll let you know how my trip to one goes next week.

By the way, there are many chances to do get naked in public bath (baden ) and spas or hot springs. In Japan, there are onsen (hot springs resorts - where you can also get a day-pass just for the indoor and outdoors hot pools); there are even still pubic baths - sento - where you pay about $3-$4 to sit naked among or across from other men (sometimes young men and teens - but there are all ages), and wash and soap your body-- paying special attention to scrubbing your cock and balls. and then soak nude in the hot communal pool (after rinsing). It's a tradition that is rapidly dying out.  

Any ideas or experiences about a flashing at 8-person hostel room (it may be coed)? It's in Honolulu and I don't know the shower set-up -since shower stall or communal (I hope).
Kelly
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The spirit is willing but the flash is week day and weekend!

Naked Travels: Natural nudity in public parks / recreation areas

Travel Escapades:  Budapest  Part 2 -- mainly travel advice and recommendations

[NOTE: Sometimes what I write here is just a copy or re-write of something I have posted elsewhere -- on a discussion board or in an e-mail message]. However, those things get wiped away or lost so I use sometimes this blog to document (and preserve) what I have written specifically for some other reason or for some other audience. However, it may be useful info to JUB readers and it also saves me having to write it again.
Further, a blog is whatever the WRITER really wants it to be -- so it serves me as a kind of public diary and memory bank. ]

Trip to Budapest August from a decade ago (part of my first Eastern Europe journey) -- See my separate JUB blog entry about my first nude massage experience at Kiraly Baths, Budapest. 

I got back from a trip to Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Croatia.
Budapest was the hottest party atmosphere -- a lot of tourists and hot Hungarian guys -especially on the weekends. I had fun at Action Club address is 42 Magyar (near Astoria Subway stop -- I think that is the address - -check cruisingforsex dot com to be sure ). It has a rainbow symbol on the door but does not open until 9pm. You have to buy a minimum of 1300 fts (a couple of drinks -- beer is 500 forents) and keep up with the tab since you pay on the way out (a guy at the exit has to check your tab to see if you have paid yet before he unlocks the door). However, there is a back room where it got hot and heavy. I also had a very good time cruising for sex in Kiraly Baths - -it only for men on Tuesday /Thursday/Sat 10am-8pm? -- 3 hour time limit and bathing suit required but that does not prevent sex in the pools, sauna and other areas. Rac and Rudas Baths are also supposedly good for male sex too but did not try. I heard there was nude sunbathing at Margit Island but could not find it -- the outdoor thermal baths was closed there that day. 

I did stroll completely around Margit Island and looked for a place to get naked but it was pretty busy with locals and tourists alike. There was also a large movie crew at one section which they blocked off, filming a scene with the river in the background. 
I would love to return to try out the naturist sun terrace at Palatinus Baths, as well as some of the other places and see more sights. 

I was there in late August - just missed the Palatinus (open air bath with nude sun terrace) because it closes each year around Aug 22. 

The traditional Turkish and Hungarian baths are worth at least one visit- just for the ambiance and architecture. Kiraly was supposedly a lot quieter than it had been (see Budapest Gayguide.net articles) -- I admit it WAS fairly tame - although I did get my cock sucked in the steam room and also again in a more secluded area. I had fun - -but there was much more overt action in the dark rooms at Action Club. (see above post).

Hungarian men seemed not to hestitate to bareback so take precautions. 
I found some other info at:
http://gayguide.net/Europe/Hungary/B...

Look for info here too
http://www.guidemag.com/travel/

http://www.cruisingforsex.com also has specific listings for many cities/countries with comments from people who have been there. 

Additional recommendations below by Teddski (dudesnude.com)

Rac Baths (Rac Furdo) - Built during the reign of King Zsignond in the early 15th century. Men only on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday and only open from 6:30 am - 6 pm and are particularly popular with the gay community. But watch for hustlers. Almost everyone that spoke English was looking to rent.

Rudas Baths (Rudas Baths) - A high domed roof admits bluish green light into the dark stone hall above the oxdigon shaped pool. Over 1,000 years old it was originally constructed by the Romans. A Men only bath that has a good reputation with the gay community. Open 6 am - 6 pm with a lot of high school age guys hitting the warm waters before classes.

Statue Park (Szobar Park) - A thirty minute trip to the south of the city is an open air exhibit of 42 Communist statues. They were originally located in all of the cities public squares, but were removed in 1989.

Chain Bridge - (Szechenyi Lanchid) Bridge over the Danube River connecting Buda and Pest.

St. Stephen's Basilica - Chief landmark of Pest that can hold 8,500 people.

Amstel River Cafe - I stopped in for lunch, mentioned to the waiter that I was from America, and the owner of the restaurant came over and spent 90 minutes telling me where I should go out in the gay community and places to really stay away.

Angel Bar and Disco -- The most popular gay bars with a fun dance floor.

Action Bar - No name posted outside. Look for the red light shining on a letter A. As mentioned above, a card is given upon entry and all drinks are charged to be paid in full when leaving the bar. This is done to keep hustlers from hitting on guys, since you really need to buy alcohol to stay. 

An excellent guide is the Fodor's Prague and Budapest Guide.

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The kind of flashing that appeals to me is the sort of 'semi' innocent flashing where guys get naked when changing clothes. It is not as if they really are intending to shock somebody by masturbating and blowing your load right in front of people .. it's a kind of laid-back form of (almost) unintentional public nudity. Don't get me wrong -- I'd probably love being exhibitionistic more overtly in certain circumstances -- like the in a gay theatre or sex club -- I know I've enjoyed being watched in gay saunas -- but that is a kind of private sex life that I am not talking about here. 

At least for now, the only kind of public flashing I can do is the accidental exposure - "you weren't supposed to set that" type. I have found that some parks (depends on the country and the city) are great for this type of spontaneous 'naturist' flashing and other are not. 

I have already written about how guys in Japan who are with their teams -- often change in public parks and just outside public ball fields -- you can sometimes get quite a show when they strip down to nothing or try to jump out of their athletic gear and into their street clothes. 

There are other places where I have experienced something a bit different. It seems that there is 'room' in society for a lot of male public nudity in Europe. 

Donau Insel (Donau Island), Vienna

Link to info about nudism on Donau Insel (Donau Island inside Vienna on the Danube River):

http://www.nudismus.cz/reports.html

Donau Island in Vienna and its excessive public parks along the Danube River were excellent for this kind of 'innocent' flashing. Along there somewhere may well be a section that is totally nude, but I couldn't find it. It is easy to take the train (subway) to one of at least two stations along this public park-way or arrive at one and walk (30 min) to return via the other - which is the way I explore the area. 



I found that you were more likely to just happen across a nude man or women or see people pull of their clothes to get into the water. A few couples were going at it .. like a woman giving a guy a handjob under his shorts, but it is mainly a family like atmosphere - -but with some nude people mixed in - typically as singles. the long thin island is where I walked and then sunbathed nude, although there were a lot of people on the opposite banks -- the river is quite wide so it was not easy to see what state of undress people were on the far banks. 

What I liked is that you could change clothes (and flashing cyclist) or pick a spot up on the embankments and just get naked, or go for a nude swim and it was not a big deal -- at least not for the casual observers who might glance your way.
 
Obviously, Englischer Garten in Munich would be another place -- it was raining hard when I was there in August. 

Innocent Flashing Spots:

Can anyone recommend other places/parks/ public recreation areas where this can easily happen (in North America or elsewhere too)? 

Much of the US tends to be so puritanical about nudity that people are likely to call the police on somebody who  is just peeing, let alone actually sunbathing nude in a public park.

Well, that's another sad story, which I'll defer to another time. 
Happy naked sunbathing,
Cheers, 
Kelly

European Sex Vacation Ideas for Gay Men

We have been having a discussion on Dudesnude about this topic. Because the board posts eventually disappear after a few weeks, I wanted to save this one in my blog.
======> Teens at nude beach at Cap d'Agde, France (see photo on the right below).

Subject: sex vacation ideas Poster: mandaters Date: 27 Apr 2006, 14:05

I want to plan a summer european vacation with sex as the main attraction...I've already done most of the touristy things. Where are the great places to go (cities and clubs) that have the horniest insatiable men? I am planning on at least a couple of weeks so multiple places would be great. Tell me about your hottest experiences.

Subject: Re: sex vacation ideasPoster: Troika  Date: 27 Apr 2006, 14:14
Berlin should be one your main stopovers... the city IS sex - why the hell you think I'm here? :) It has some of the most  relaxed drinking laws in western europe, has tons of sex bars, most of which have darkrooms as big as the bar area itself, several gay areas, bars stay open until very early, and some are even 24 hour... you HAVE to come to Berlin if you want an action packed european sex vacation.


My number one recommendation: Berghain... Dance club that's mixed, but mainly gay, with large sex areas, open almost the entire weekend... you can party from midnight Saturday to late evening Sunday non-stop -- if you can handle it!

Subject: Re: sex vacation ideasPoster: steelearch  Date: 28 Apr 2006, 00:45

My "can't miss" destination for sex is Paris - innumerable places, both semi-private (bars, clubs) and fully public (along the banks of the Seine at Tata Beach, at Les Sablieres, the Bois du Bolougne , and I could go on and on and on....)And of course, it's still Paris, so plenty of non-sexual optionsThen you're also just a relatively short train ride from all the other great European cities (London, Amsterdam, etc.)

Subject: Re: sex vacation ideasPoster: hungryfuck Date: 28 Apr 2006, 01:11
I have to second Troika on Berlin. I was there a year ago for ten days. On my first night I was in a backroom bar and within an hour I had three hot guys in my apartment naked on my bed. The city is hot! I'll be in Munich this summer and Munich gay pride will be happening the week I'm there so I'm assuming things will be steamin' hot.

Subject: Re: sex vacation ideas Poster: trajan  Date: 28 Apr 2006, 08:51
    [Photo below is one of the author while naked in the dunes of Maspolamas, Gran Canaria, The Canary Islands, Spain's resort islands offf the coast of Morocco.)

Berlin - yes. Hamburg too, plus Cologne, Munich and Frankfurt. German gay scene has lots of leather-type bars with loads of darkroom action and the guys are generally hot, friendly and HUNG! Don't forget Amsterdam, one of my favourite cities, and try any of the bars on the Woermestraat. In Spain, definitely recommend a visit to Sitges, just down the coast from Barcelona. Then of course London which has a lot of hot venues, and even Birmingham where I live, which has Boots bar and several raunchy saunas. I've had lots of encounters in all these places plus others round the world. Recommend you get a copy of Spartacus, mate.

Subject: Re: sex vacation ideas  Poster: mandatersf  Date: 30 Apr 2006, 10:00
Berlin is definitely a must....(have been there before) it is a very sexual city. I do check the Spartacus guides everytime I go...but they are a little too general in their descriptions....any clubs that are not to be missed?.....I am sure there are more cities out there that should be brought to everyone's attention. Are there any special days or special local events that make them even better? BTW thanks for the advice guys.

Subject: Re: sex vacation ideasPoster: sunbuns99  Date: 30 Apr 2006, 15:18

Don't forget about London and of course Amsterdam - g-sex in the city (with either of them having much to offer besides). I am partial to Munich - because of Englishergarten (open air nude section of the park with lots of gay men).                    
               
           

In other threads on this travel section, we're talking about Gran Canaria (nude and also pretty hot sex both in the dunes and in some of the bars). I find the south of France to be hot enough -- cities from Herault through to Riviera have lots of places (sex clubs/bars with backroom).

I enjoyed good sex in Portugal -- Tavira (small town in rural setting that has a cruisy gay and nude beach) and there are gay beaches near Lisbon. Czech's Prague would also be a great place for sex and a wonderful tourist site too and I would love to go back to Budapest -- tons of hot men - the Turkish baths and Hungarian baths can be cruisy.  It depends on what turns you on. I found it scintillating to be given a oil massage in a Turkish bath -- especially since the masseur seemed to enjoy getting my cock aroused and turning me over to 'show off' my erection to other men. Hey.. to each his own -- Berlin is likely to be the capital for hardcore -- a kind of fist and fury type of gay sex.

Subject: Re: sex vacation ideasPoster: THICKANDY Date: 01 May 2006, 00:54
In Amsterdam, the "Horsemen and Knights Club" of big dicked dutch men, host a 'public' sex party the THIRD Sunday of each month at the CockRing Disco bar/club on Warmoestraat (near the Red Light district). Doors open at 3 PM, then close at 4 PM. Party lasts usually until 7 or 8 PM. Always a hot time - lots of VERY hung men show up from all over.....the party takes over all 3 floors of the club. For more information: go to - http://www.ncadam.com

 

Subject: Re: sex vacation ideasPoster: hebadu  Date: 01 May 2006, 01:07
Berlin is just a must - I live here now and lots of fun. Public places are big here and you can be nude at the Tiergarten, a hot place and all the bars. For younger boys I think Amsterdam and Amman are good, although Jodan is the best place.